hagel talks expansively. he's a little like biden. to his credit, and i think it's something obama likes about him, he's not a totally programmed -- >> biden had a lot to do with pushing this, didn't he? >> i think that's a key thing to understand. those two guys are really close. as far as the speed of it, i think they drew a lesson from what happened to susan rice. she hung out there twisting on the vine. they didn't marshall the forces. she didn't have a lot of public defenders. this is the opposite of that. this is an organized, quick campaign. they want to batten down the hatches and basically make him safe for people to vote for and move forward with it and get the controversy behind them. >> let's talk about another big event that happened this week, another shoe that dropped, general powell this sunday. let's look at general powell on our own "meet the press" and the way he went at this very directly. he was very pointed here in the middle of what we're going to show you, very pointed for a politician to talk with this kind of